For those who haven't heard of it, XRumer is software that automates link building by submitting links to blogs and forums. As with most short cuts, XRumer was successful at one point, but I'm forced to question its value these days. Of course, I'm questioning its effectiveness without having ever used it, but I did receive this blog comment not too long ago...
There's just one problem. This comment was caught by Akismet and automatically flagged as spam. Hmmm...
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Programs are beat. I would never keep a comment listed that didn't apply and or add something to the post, which simply isn't possible with a program. If you are going to use someone's site for a link, the least you can do is actually read their article.
Automated link building seems like a total waste of time, money and energy to me. Sure it's tempting, but the search engines have this tactic in their radar on a constant basis, so you would always be fighting against multi-billion dollar organizations just to get some easy links. It seems that all automated link tools die out pretty quickly.
Automated link building is a sure way of getting your self in trouble. Do not do it.
The software had its uses a long time ago but a lot of search engines are getting very wise to spammy comments and titles so i would stay clear now
F*ing people who spam without even a remote chance of targeting forums that are their target market. Noobs.
We just got spammed today by someone asking/requesting Xrumer 5.0 Look, sure generating buzz and getting link backs is important to anyone doing business online. But you have to give value FIRST. Putting in that extra couple of minutes of thought behind a comment, like contributing piece of advice or a tip is the way to do it.
The rest is just gimmicks with a diminishing rate of return, and like SEO Rabbitt says, eventually detrimental to you. I certainly mark spam into Askimet things that don't contribute to our posts. Get enough people hating your marketing efforts and your traffic is going just as fast as it went up.
That could just be because there was a link included in the comment. There really isn't any need for that though, I bet if there was no link it wouldn't be marked as spam. Plus, there are thousands of websites that don't have akismet/allow comments automatically, and etc...
This is great for spammy adsense blogs and other stuff..(I forgot what I was going to say)
I don't think Xrumer is any good these days. Similarly trackbackspider died a couple of years ago. Spam comments also harm the reputation of a website or company.
Hmmm
If Xrumer is so bad why does one very well known traffic expert have 20 versions of it running on his servers.
Off course some of these comments will get flagged as spam but its all a numbers game.
John I agree with you seems like a lot of people just don't want some people to get into the game.... you are correct it is a number game. I seen a comment about getting in trouble, I am not sure what type of trouble you can get in... please tell me what is against the law about using the software now it may be blackhat an unethical but most webmasters are in the gray area when they think they are whitehat.
My two cents it still works....
Programs are beat. I would never keep a comment listed that didn't apply and or add something to the post, which simply isn't possible with a program. If you are going to use someone's site for a link, the least you can do is actually read their article."
I simply can't agree more with you, its just very pitty to see how they try to sell the product, If it is so good, why don't they make a website with billions of backlinks and even rank top #1 for the word google ?
I guess they're tool will be off market soon, so they are trying to get as much sales as possible.
Xrumer is still a very valuable automated posting tool. Only people who are not associated with it can question it's effectiveness. There are many ways to dynamically control tens of thousands of links to any given website, spread all throughout the web. I will not get into the tips and tricks here, but I can say that I have two servers running it 24/7.
This program has a tremendous learning curve and little public knowledge about it. This is why people are claiming that it is dead, etc. Simply stated, they do not know how to use it. Xrumer alone will not get you into the top ten with search engines and will certainly get your site flagged if not used correctly. However by using the proper doorway system, you can steadily push your site up through the ranks, generate traffic and sales with the program. Everything works good in moderation and key to this program is in the list of urls that you feed into it. The reality is that there is over 10 million forums, guestbooks, blogs and comment sections on the web. Many of those are dormant and unmoderated. Finding them is one of the many keys.
Also Askimet is garbage and cannot effectively defeat xrumer, especially when it isn't even taking a slice of the pie (10,000,000 opportunities). The key to posting links is doing it in a stealth mode where it goes unnoticed by mods and whomever else. The search engines do take notice of my tactics however!
Oh and Web Designer in DC, spamming links is spamming links, no matter how you do it. If doing it all manually is what you like and you actually think that writing a perfect response makes it all better then more power to you. But, rather than surf the web like a monkey looking for link spots, I have gotten 89 successful link posts and private messaged hundreds of members in the time that it took me to type this message. Can you say the same?
Dead? I think not... Look at my post ^^^^ I don't need the piddly link!
I have to agree with "does it matter", the logic is solid. If you are adding posts to blogs and forums for the backlink then theres no difference. Spam is spam, on might be better written and a tad more respectful of the site, but it's all still spam. If you choose to grab backlinks from forums and blogs rather than persuing trades with like sites... then why not automate it. Just MHO, however I still "trade" the old fashioned way myself.
One thing to ponder though... if this is my only post to this site (not just thread) but I really wanted to comment (so I did), should this still be considered spam? Considering this is wordpress and probably nofollows all comments, I guess you'd have to think not.
"does it matter" is spot on. Xrumer is still the best tool of its type by a country mile!
Came in looking for info on this tool and it seems its a 50/50 toss up on effectiveness. Dilema indeed since the thing costs over 500 bones.
If its any consolation I've talked to a few fellow marketers who swear by it.
I am in and out of the idea to try tools like this all the time. I always sort of balance between automation and genuine SEO and every time I take on a task, do a little work and use a cool and logical head, the non spam way always wins,,, Every time... At this point I don't even know why I keep going back to searching for automation tools and attempting to find ways to not do the little work that I need to. But what I really wanted to contribute is this.. I have absolutely never approved a span, non contributing comment to any of my blogs, ever, ever... and I see no point in spamming with no intention to t least say something that makes sense. On the other hand, there are a bunch of blog owners who do not give credit to the commenter even when the comment really makes sense, so it is all a very unfair game in which most people seek fairness with no intention of giving the same in return.. which brings us to why most people are resorting to spam... so it is a futile circle,,
If you came to this post looking for advice on whether or not to buy xrumer, just notice one thing; the ONLY negative comments are coming from people that have NEVER used the product!
That should tell you something...
That's like a plumber giving his "opinion" on how a cardiologist should perform his next heart transplant.
Worthless opinion obviously - just like the ignorant, non-informed comments above.
I own it and it definately works (understatement) but it has a STEEP learning curve. If you are a noob
and you don't know Russian you may want to think twice about buying it. The support is almost
non-existent and anyone that has really unlocked the power of the program won't reveal a thing (why would
they). So unless you have a Russian friend or coder, it will be a long road to using the prog to it's fullest
potential.
Agreed, you could spend many more hours learning xrumer than physically going in and posting. The upside is that once it is set up you can add many more variations, set and forget. It really depends on the level of commitment to such marketing tactics one has I suppose.
Plumber doing a heart transplant... gotta love that analogy!
I have the newest version 5.09 and will tell you the straight truth.. Is it worth the money? Answer, is yes of course. It is truly an awesome tool, but this is what I discovered. As mentioned the learning curve (function) is very difficult and why 50% of the people can't use it correctly because the instructions suck and there is ZERO support. Second, most people who finally do learn the program functions have ZERO strategy then cry about it. In my niche this tool affords me to walk around a lop heads off daily. Matter of fact, it not even funny anymore. In short, make it a hobby first to learn all aspects of the program and use. I'll trade strategy tips with others but don't waste my time asking questions on "how do I do " this function shit.
Anonymous, FYI, Does it matter & Other xrumer guru's:
I am very interested in purchasing xrumer. I have been doing a substantial amount of research but believe I am significantly behind the learning curve since there is no support. I am going to violate the cardinal rule and post my email address here because I would love to discuss some of my options with experienced users. I don't expect your valuable time for free, so let me know if you would be willing to chat and we'll negotiate compensation.
thanks,
hr ** at ** avintel ** dot ** com
(I'm sure you can figure out that email address)